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WallyWorld wrote:

Roster and rough salaries

Bigs:

C Nikola Pekovic: 3 yrs/$36 million 

PF Anthony Bennett: 1 yr $6 million + $7 million team option

PF Adr aeiouandsometimesy n Payne: 3 yrs/$7 million

C Gorganzola Dieng: 2 yrs/$4 million

Wings:

SG Kevin Martin: 2 yrs/$14 million

SF Andrew Wiggins: 3 yrs/$21 million

SF Chase BonkingSax: 1 yr/$5 million

PG/SG/SF/PF/C Shabazz Muhammad: 2 yrs/$5 million

Points:

PG Ricky Rubio: 4 years/$55 million

PG/SG Zach LaVine: 3 years/$7.5 million

Free Agents:

Kevin Garnett (big ass cap hold)

Gary Neal

Robbie Hummel (QO cap Hold)

Lorenzo Brown (1 year non guaranteed)

Justin Hamilton (QO cap hold)

Coaching Staff: Flip Saunders. Sam Mitchell, Ryan Saunders, Sidney Lowe, Mike Penberthy and David Adelman were all on one-year deals though several will surely return.

Medical Staff: Jack Kevorkian, M.D.

2015 Picks: Top 4 guaranteed 1st round. #31 and #36 in 2nd round

Future Picks: Who knows how many seconds. Wolves cannot trade their own first rounder until the 2020's as a result of the Wes Johnson/Payne trades

Roster Space: 5 spots currently available.

TPE's: Wolves have one for about $7 million or so from the Love trade they can use to trade for a salary in this range without giving any money back.

Cap Room: None due to cap holds and the Traded Player Exception. Wolves will have two cap exceptions: the Midlevel ($5-6 million) and the Lowlevel ($2 million).

 

So, what would you like to see?

 



-- Edited by WallyWorld on Thursday 30th of April 2015 03:17:13 PM


I pulled the above off of Wallyworld's original 2015 Offseason thread.

Stop, read, behold the majesty.

2016: Brand new top tier coach, one of the best young starting 5s in the league (nobody over 26), top 5 pick, 2 consecutive ROYs, no bad contracts, no major holes in the starting lineup. Just need depth. Glen has obviously been kidnapped and replaced with a cylon.



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It still stuns the mind. I have not followed the cap stuff of late but I believe the Wolves do not have max space and around 20 million or so thanks to Garnett still making 8 million per year to be an assistant coach. I assume he will play next season. Remember all free agent salaries will be much inflated. $10 mil+ for anyone. No Midlevel exceptions will exist as all most or all teams will be under the cap.

Here is my A1 topic of the day as to who should be added: Jimmy Butler. Jalen called it on his pod yesterday. He knows things and is often accurate. What is the most you would give up for Jimmy? I would assume the price would be the 5th pick plus a young player and I would go ahead and assume LaVine is probably what it takes and that may not even be enough to get Forman to trade Butler to Thibs. Would you do this deal? Imagine a top 4 of Butler, Rubio, Towns and Wiggins. How does Thibs not make that into a championship caliber defense within a season? it might be worth it.

I would also, as of now, support signing Luol Deng who is playing a lot of 4 and is still good as a role player at 31. I'm sure Noah will be a guy on the list but I really think he might be toast. Don't put Thibs into a self fulfilling prophecy with the injury stuff (which will be CONSTANTLY under the microscope by the fanbase BTW, ANY ding or tweak there will panic).

On the front office side I want to see a complete overhaul including a real analytics department that uses more than the Saunder's family Gametime Concepts software, an effing D League team and one of those bright young geniuses like the dude in Boston come on board. Milt can and should stay for continuity and because I credit him with Towns over Okafor. Babc0ck? Out. (Did you know he is the VP of Basketball Operations?!) Sid Lowe? Out. Enough. Anyone responsible for the complacency and backwards, non-innovative thinking that has gone on within this organization for over a decade should be escorted from the building immediately.

On that note I find it odd, the phenomenon on Twitter happening. For 12 years it's been "enough country club!" and now that it is over people are panicking about whether Milt, Adelman Jr., Ryan are retained and many are hoping Sam comes back as an assistant. It makes no sense. Guilt? Very Minnesota. This ENTIRE operation needed total change in the worst possible way (with the exception of Arnie Kander, Calvin Booth and Gary Trent). It is okay to admit this. Many of the people in place were not qualified, didn't earn their position, or were stuck in the Flip era. Enough.

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Add David Adelman to the list to keep though, he's hilarious and has funny ears.

Speaking of Noah, remember when I said Towns could be like Noah with a jumpshot? Not sounding so crazy now, huh? Kind of a weird comparison though, now that I've watched him for a year. Towns is much smoother than Noah.

David Thorpe of ESPN who I very much respect as a basketball mind went on the record saying the Wolves may win 50+ games next year. Bradford Doolittle thought the Wolves should try to sign Harrison Barnes in Free Agency, would that not be completely awesome?

I'm beside myself with glee and don't know what to do with myself.



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I love Jim Butler. I have to think about it though as far as what would I offer to get him. Jim Butler is awesome though. I would love to have him.

I'm a huge JoNo dickrider, so even though he may be washed I would absolutely love to see him come here. He's not that old. He has "it" (what KG, tRicky, and Towns have...the burning desire to win and the love of the grind).

I guess I am being a Minnesotan because I do want Ryan Saunders retained. I hope and expect that none of the other guys will be back though.

I can't believe we are even having any of these discussions. This is an amazing time to be a Wolves fan. I wonder if Arnie Kanter will be back? I really hope so.

Then Wolfenstein has to drop Harry Barnes, another guy that I love! Man you guys are killing me. Almost makes me forget for a minute about the tragic death of the Minnesota Legend today, a true original, inspirational, creative genius. RIP Prince, gone way too damn soon man.

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I agree that Noah would be awesome. Obviously it's a risk if he can't play. He would exceptional to have around. Wolfenstein is right in terms of how Towns is sorta like Noah but with offensive skill and the shooting prowess of Ray Allen (honestly, this guy). The best part of that sentence is it ISNT HOMER HYPERBOLE....IT'S ACTUALLY TRUE!!!!

I'm fine maybe with  Ryan specifically coming back, I just find it a bit odd how people were so sick of the country club and among the most immediate concern was whether certain individuals, some beyond Ryan, were returning. If Thibs deems him qualified for the position, great. I think Taylor makes sure he is taken care of. No one need worry.

Bonk you hit it. Still really hard to process that a little over a week ago I was just waiting for the Mitchell extension. The Ascension will be reall now. With a few roster tweaks, 50 wins is surely achievable under Thibs.



-- Edited by WallyWorld on Thursday 21st of April 2016 08:10:48 PM

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Predict Thib's first move not involving a draft selection. I'll say Deng at 2 years 25 million

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Love the article on the front page, WW- but are you still doubting LaVine, and why? Like, you spend a LOT of time talking about the grace period that Flip extended Zach. Now I know it was not the same sort of short leash that most rookies get, but it clearly worked out in this case. Zach was a competent defender by the end of the year. Not great, not good, but competent. More often than not he did not get beat on straight lines, he contested most shots, did not gamble horrifically, displayed some effort. I mean, remember the defensive carnage of Derrick Williams/Tony Toni Tone Bennett/Mike Beasley? Zach is already a better defender than James Harden. Harden's D is a joke, Zach's is not. Again, he's not shutting guys down but he's not terrible.

Clearly the type of treatment Zach gets is not always a success (although how many 19 year old rookies with 45" verticals and not-completely-broken-jumpshots have we had in the last forever years?), but in this case, it clearly has been a success. He is a legitimate NBA caliber starter. He's 20. The type of navel-gazing, backwards looking "he shouldn't have been here because he wasn't good in college" needs to stop. LaVine is not yet a star, but he easily can become one especially if everyone collectively realizes that 2nd half of the year was quite literally a different player than first half of the year Zach. As in, not the same position, not the same role, not the same player on the court. Different.

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Thanks for linking to that article. I hadn't seen that yet. Great job, as always, Wally World.

I tend to agree with Wolfenstein on this. Lavine has already blown away any expectations I had for his career, much less his 1st 2 seasons. The improvement he showed the last few months of the season, not only on O but on D too mind you, leave me at the point where I would have trouble stomaching a trade of him. BUT, Wally's point about his trade value being sky high is valid. I would actually think that he plus a #5 draft pick may be too high of a price for Butler, and that a package of both of those could get us even higher, and that Lavine alone could hypothetically get a Butler type of guy, especially on a team looking to the future as opposed to winning now.

I also love that you mentioned getting Bazemore. I'm a huge Bazemore guy, let's get him.



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Wolfenstein - Did you even read the article?

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Bazemore would be a really good fit as a 3 and D guy. I kind of hate the term 3 and D because it's becoming really cliche but still that is pretty much exactly what this team needs. Competent defenders who can knock down shots. Let's trade

I may have been a little rugged on Wallyworld because I saw some of the LaVine questions and became overcome with the bloodrage... but still, I'm not sure I would trade LaVine for Butler at this point knowing that LaVine, Wiggins, and Towns are all pretty much the same age.

I was not a LaVine fan when he was a sh*tty backup point guard, but I sure as hell know how to recognize a fish in water on the court. LaVine playing off the ball with Rubio is a guy pretty much doing what he was built to do.

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WallyWorld wrote:

Wolfenstein - Did you even read the article?


 

Yes I did- I really enjoyed it. However, there were a number of sleights that I took objection to: LaVine playing "primarily on one side of the ball" (he's not Pippen but he's shown real effort on D as noted above); LaVine being a "mid-career Jamal Crawford" (Crawford is a shot-hunting journeyman who seldom plays within a team concept and the comparison with LaVine is an unfair one from a basketball standpoint- the two are extremely different players); more than a little condescendingly, Zach "earned it in many respects and has made quite a little career for himself thus far"; and so on...

FWIW Gorgui is a nice player who always works and occasionally shows flashes of brilliance. But he also lays 2 point, 8 rebound eggs more often than is reasonable for a max salary guy. He's a decent add at a million or two per season less than Rubio. $10-11M/year is fair for a guy like Dieng who is solid but not dominant. By the time Towns, LaVine, and Wiggins end their rookie scales, Dieng will be ready to take the late career discount (meaning not increase his next salary) to stay with the home team (my preference) or will find a new team.

Town, LaVine, and Wiggins will either like each other enough to play together long term and make the money work, or they will move on. The salary cap will certainly allow them to make $15-20M per year and endorsements (as Westbrook and Durant have shown) are not geocentric in the digital age.

Like I said, I enjoy the article and I don't mean to be a dick, just bringing up some points of contention.

I do agree with the "clear the deck" approach to turnarounds, while it sucks for the people involved. There's always a balance of who you keep around and who needs to leave. Most importantly, however, you need to establish a plan to keep and maximize the value of the assets/talent that attract you to the situation while parting ways with the baggage/underperformers that required you to be brought in in the first place.



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From a Cap space standpoint, summer of 2019 is the next tough point, because Rubio, Wiggins, and LaVine will all be at the end of their contracts (unless the Wolves smartly extend them) and Dieng will have just re-upped. They will also need to reserve max room for Towns for obvious reasons.

hoopshype.com/salaries/minnesota_timberwolves/

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